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	<title>Comments on: Draft of Energy Retrofit Legislation Released</title>
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		<title>By: David Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>David Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest committee text, set for markup tomorrow, has an additional reference to the Section 25C tax credit at Sect 5(f)(1)(A). But the ambiguity of the interaction with 25C remains.

I now believe the intent was to prevent two incentives to be provided for the same work. If so, then a taxpayer took a 25C credit in a prior year (or even 2010) should be eligible for a Home Star rebate as long as it&#039;s not for the same product or work. However, the language at Sect 9(a)(2) (&quot;shall reduce any credit allowed under 25C&quot;) suggests that the concern may have been with overall incentive limits for a given home or taxpayer, rather than double dipping pe se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest committee text, set for markup tomorrow, has an additional reference to the Section 25C tax credit at Sect 5(f)(1)(A). But the ambiguity of the interaction with 25C remains.</p>
<p>I now believe the intent was to prevent two incentives to be provided for the same work. If so, then a taxpayer took a 25C credit in a prior year (or even 2010) should be eligible for a Home Star rebate as long as it&#8217;s not for the same product or work. However, the language at Sect 9(a)(2) (&#8220;shall reduce any credit allowed under 25C&#8221;) suggests that the concern may have been with overall incentive limits for a given home or taxpayer, rather than double dipping pe se.</p>
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		<title>By: David Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>David Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just listened to the House Energy Committee hearings from March 18. DOE Assistant Secretary Cathy Zoi responded to a question about how the department would prevent homeowners from taking a Section 25C deduction AND a Home Star credit. She said they (presumably the DOE) will provide records to the IRS, and that it would be considered tax fraud to take both.

Hmm... This requires some thought. She seems to be implying that someone who took a Section 25C last year, I cannot take advantage of Gold Star&#039;s higher incentive levels? And what about folks who took a 25C credit in 2008?

At a minimum, the instant rebate form will need to include a question asking the customer if they took a 25C rebate in a previous tax year, and have them sign off that they won&#039;t take one in current or future years. 

Hopefully the final draft will include words that would *reduce* the HS rebate by a past 25C deduction rather than preclude a rebate, and will be clear as to how far back that would apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just listened to the House Energy Committee hearings from March 18. DOE Assistant Secretary Cathy Zoi responded to a question about how the department would prevent homeowners from taking a Section 25C deduction AND a Home Star credit. She said they (presumably the DOE) will provide records to the IRS, and that it would be considered tax fraud to take both.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; This requires some thought. She seems to be implying that someone who took a Section 25C last year, I cannot take advantage of Gold Star&#8217;s higher incentive levels? And what about folks who took a 25C credit in 2008?</p>
<p>At a minimum, the instant rebate form will need to include a question asking the customer if they took a 25C rebate in a previous tax year, and have them sign off that they won&#8217;t take one in current or future years. </p>
<p>Hopefully the final draft will include words that would *reduce* the HS rebate by a past 25C deduction rather than preclude a rebate, and will be clear as to how far back that would apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Eckles</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Eckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with David.  The 25C reference needs to be clarified.  Even the IRS would have difficult interpreting the current language for incorporation into the tax code.  I understand the deisre to limit the perceived double-dipping possibility; but for significant investments like a ground source heat pump, the gold star path should still provide releif.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David.  The 25C reference needs to be clarified.  Even the IRS would have difficult interpreting the current language for incorporation into the tax code.  I understand the deisre to limit the perceived double-dipping possibility; but for significant investments like a ground source heat pump, the gold star path should still provide releif.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Golden</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a technical error... it is Billion not Million.  Now corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a technical error&#8230; it is Billion not Million.  Now corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: David Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>David Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On page 39, line 15, the draft bill says that Section 25C credit is reduced by Home Star rebate amounts, which makes sense. But what about the other way around, particularly for Home Star improvements made in 2011, after the Section 25C credits have ended (2010 is the last year currently authorized for Section 25C tax credits). 

In particular, let&#039;s say a homeowner receives a $1500 tax credit under 25C in 2009 for an HVAC changeout. Then in 2011, that same homeowner, same home, wants to do some other energy improvements under Gold Star. Would the eligible rebate under Gold Star be reduced by the 2009 Section 25C tax credit? I suspect this was the intent, but the Act doesn&#039;t say that, and you obviously can&#039;t reduce a tax credit that was taken in a previous tax year!

Note: If a 25C tax credit is taken in 2010, even if the work pre-dates the Home Star Act, it seems clear that the wording of the Home Star Act would reduce or eliminate the Section 25C credit if Home Star improvements were also conducted in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On page 39, line 15, the draft bill says that Section 25C credit is reduced by Home Star rebate amounts, which makes sense. But what about the other way around, particularly for Home Star improvements made in 2011, after the Section 25C credits have ended (2010 is the last year currently authorized for Section 25C tax credits). </p>
<p>In particular, let&#8217;s say a homeowner receives a $1500 tax credit under 25C in 2009 for an HVAC changeout. Then in 2011, that same homeowner, same home, wants to do some other energy improvements under Gold Star. Would the eligible rebate under Gold Star be reduced by the 2009 Section 25C tax credit? I suspect this was the intent, but the Act doesn&#8217;t say that, and you obviously can&#8217;t reduce a tax credit that was taken in a previous tax year!</p>
<p>Note: If a 25C tax credit is taken in 2010, even if the work pre-dates the Home Star Act, it seems clear that the wording of the Home Star Act would reduce or eliminate the Section 25C credit if Home Star improvements were also conducted in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Monday</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very important that we all let our voices be heard.  I applaud all the folks at Efficiency First who have and continue to work tirelessly on this and encourage all of us to follow thru by contacting our representatives in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very important that we all let our voices be heard.  I applaud all the folks at Efficiency First who have and continue to work tirelessly on this and encourage all of us to follow thru by contacting our representatives in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should try again Dave -- it&#039;s working fine when I try it. The direct link to the discussion draft PDF is http://energy.senate.gov/public/_files/END10173.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should try again Dave &#8212; it&#8217;s working fine when I try it. The direct link to the discussion draft PDF is <a href="http://energy.senate.gov/public/_files/END10173.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://energy.senate.gov/public/_files/END10173.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dvae Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvae Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you follow the link,the discussion draft is damaged and you can&#039;t download</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you follow the link,the discussion draft is damaged and you can&#8217;t download</p>
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		<title>By: Dvae Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvae Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully congress acts fast on this. If they don&#039;t homeowners will adapt a wait and see attitude, waiting to see if the bill passes and not spending money until it passes or fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully congress acts fast on this. If they don&#8217;t homeowners will adapt a wait and see attitude, waiting to see if the bill passes and not spending money until it passes or fails.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.efficiencyfirst.org/blog/2010/03/03/draft-of-energy-retrofit-legislation-released/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bill as written only allocates $1,683,000 &quot;to provide rebates and incentives authorized under the Gold Star home energy retrofit program&quot; (See page 52, line 15). This probably is supposed to be $1,683,000,000.

Less than 2 million dollars isn&#039;t going to go very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill as written only allocates $1,683,000 &#8220;to provide rebates and incentives authorized under the Gold Star home energy retrofit program&#8221; (See page 52, line 15). This probably is supposed to be $1,683,000,000.</p>
<p>Less than 2 million dollars isn&#8217;t going to go very far.</p>
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